Dear Moderators...

**BANNED** Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Location: Ask the Gov't

Dear F---- Moderators,

How does it feel to shoot down every good f---- idea that is outside of the dam box and that you think your are so F---- better than everyone and that anyone else's idea is so S---- that you must shoot it down. You guys think that just because you are the developers that there is so much good stuff that you put out there that you are blinded by your own S---- . Why don't you guys stop biotch slapping our thoughts and idea???? Go f---- yourself. Development really has stopped and the only thing that has been coming out except ZeroSlackr but other than that you f---- developers haven't gotten off of your lazy ases and done anything. If you would stop being so mother f---- full of yourselves then maybe you would realize that iPL isn't pushing farther. Zacaj's forums are the only major work being done for anything AND it is for a good cause to break the mother f---- encryption. If you mother f---- would stop being so f---- blind them maybe we could get a new server you claim is coming and maybe a few new developments. So GO f---- YOURSELF!!!

Modbreak: Edited for content. This is an all-ages forum and this type of talk and abuse is not tolerated here. You know that.

Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Location: OKC

hahahahaaaahaha

Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Location: Townsville, Australia

WhiteN'Nerdy....nice knowing you? Confused

(Seems like alot of people from Zacaj's forums are coming to thank the mods for all their work... Rolling Eyes

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Joined: 18 Oct 2007

Wasn't he always good? It doesn't make any sense that he writes a leaving topic Confused

Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Location: Toronto Insane Asylum

It's a forum. If you don'tm like the opinions of some, you're free to leave. It just shows what a tempered person you are to not settle this in a more professional way. They just try to keep the site clean and attracive for newcomers to the scene.

Joined: 18 Oct 2007

Yoy Know, Thats Acctually True I Have Been Gone Since November Of 07 And There Has Been Hardly Any Progrees At All....Maybe it's because of these new iPods with their encrypted firmwares, but there's one rule that a hacker must never forget: don't stop.

I feel like some sort of trust with the developers of iPodLinux has been lost. Getting information from multiple people is great, but when it's all from the same group of people...I guess what I'm trying to say is that the iPodLinux team aren't the only people who know how to do this stuff. There are hackers, like Niacin, who were able to hack the iPod Touches. I'm sure everyone here has some sort of a connection with another hacker, and if we can find other hackers who know this sort of stuff we can see what they find. Eventually the current iPodLinux development team will literally die (sorry to be so harsh, but that's the best way to put it), and we'll need another group of promising people to take over. That's the whole thing about these projects and other community projects: it always gets passed on to the next generation, and the next one after that, and the next...

And just because the project looks like it's in bad condition right now doesn't mean we can change that. Unfortunately, I think that a lot of us who want this all to happen are all hypocrites, and since that's the case our only chance of help is if someone finds this project, thinks it's interesting, and puts some time and effort into it.

I guess I'll pass the glass onto someone else now, so that they can add their own water into it.

Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Location: OKC

Thats true.

Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Location: Townsville, Australia

Dr.Moo you're right on how iPL is dying (quickly, in my opinion) and now we see people leaving us and moving onto zacaj's community, perhaps this is the new generation taking over?

I don't think iPodLinux itself could really die, there are always other projects such as RockBox that need us for the latest iPod's and onforth. As seen as in the iPod section of Zacaj's forums, new ideas have already been spiked and worked on, and what could mean even non-tech-know users could come up with decryptions. It even seems that Mac has the upper hand this time (obviously increasing the ammount of designers). Now if we look at where we stand (iPL community), what do we see? Just a bunch of wait-and-see threads about decryption, new "revolutionary" software that never comes out/makes it far, and just hundreds of threads where new users just haven't searched for their problem. In fact if you look at our community, we just seem to be a helpdesk with no progressing.
I know that may seem offensive to all the developers who have put in years of work into this, but as I look at the history of the Project Status, the last entry of any new iPod support was 10 Nov 2005! As for the hardware communication side of things with the iPod, we seem to be alright with Firewire (as I've heard), but ever since the idea of USB support within iPL came up, well, I don't think anything has been done. I've already reviewed this, but there's no argument to how many people use USB over Firewire when it comes to media players. Frankly, I'm a bit supprised how Rockbox managed to support USB (buggy, but it's there) and yet nothing as far as I know has been done to implement their work.

It's just everything about the iPodLinux community that's been happening lately strikes me odd. Zacaj creates a community for people to share their ideas, and almost instantly a decryptor for iPod's comes into actual development. I'm not trying to diss the mods/devs here, I'm only saying there's got to be a bit optimisim about the project, like there used to be.

List of Contributors: keep their names in mind for as long as you use iPodLinux, as I don't think most of them will hang around long with the changes happening these days.

Joined: 18 Oct 2007

Do you think it would be possible to get larger organizations, like a school, to run that program at all times?

Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Location: Townsville, Australia

I'm not so sure it would be smiled upon in schools and such, but you'd want to go to zacaj's forums to talk about stuff like that.

Joined: 18 Oct 2007

I'm not sure if the Mods think that this decrypter is such a good idea, but it seems to be, by their information that we have recieved, the closest we're going to get to finding the key.

Contributor Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada

Almost as good as StJimmy's thread. Alas.
(/me wonders if this is an actual post or account hack)

Tux: As for the decrypter, in my honest opinion, I see it as a waste of time and energy. Sure it can work, but at what price? For the sake of humanity, use that processing power on something more beneficial to humanity (e.g. Folding@Home) other than something useless to boast about. As well, if I remember correctly, a decrypter of the same sort was quickly written within a brute force few weeks of the iPod 2G nano being discovered as decrypted. It just was never really used since people then understood that trying to use it and waste many years of their life was pointless. In otherwords, the devs have already tried decrypting it brute-force a long time ago, but they were smart enough to realize the pointlessness of it.

Dr. Moo: If you define "closest" as many, many years like mentioned in yorgle's post, then I guess yes. But the fact is even if we started now, I doubt even your grandchildren will get to see the results (if they do, good luck on making them care Wink

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/me hates trolling and /me will not take sides with either the core devs or the zacaj forumers, but a point needs to be made on this one issue.

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WhiteN'Nerdy wrote:

you f---- developers haven't gotten off of your lazy ases and done anything.

Thats a bit out, im sure if something was planned to happen the devs would all do it.

WhiteN'Nerdy wrote:

Zacaj's forums are the only major work being done for anything AND it is for a good cause to break the mother f---- encryption. If you mother f---- would stop being so f---- blind them maybe we could get a new server you claim is coming and maybe a few new developments. So GO f---- YOURSELF!!!

Can i just say that at zacaj were not encouraging people to come here and give abuse, so dont go thinking this is all being done for street cred.

I will admit that zacaj's forums are a great place and we do have things in line to do that will be good but when people start comparing zacaj to iPL it gets a bit unfair.

The devs here made a great thing (iPodLinux) and we all enjoyed it and used it but that time is over. Theres no need to say it was sh*t.

The mod's however i can easily understand people being mad at but when people start to be mad at the dev's its not really justified.

Well thats my two cents.

Syn xD

http://ipodlinux.org/User:BleuLlama · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:57 pm

A healthy discussion would have been preferable to this abuse towards us.

And as a side note; there's nothing stopping anyone from porting Rockbox's USB implementation over to iPodLinux. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm working on very minor things for iPodLinux right now, and planning some future stuff; nothing in "the public eye" as it were... nothing "high profile".

I just get frustrated when I see posts like this here time and time again. If there is anything that demotivates me it's people who give us abuse towards things that we devoted our free time into, on our own time, instead of working on personal projects.

Remember; development work on the project (and things keeping it from "dying" (the concept of that is just ridiculous)) doesn't happen exclusively by the core devs. Feel free to complain, but not about us. You're just as capable of picking up a book and learning how to do some things that you claim you can't do.

And as for the whole decryption thing; sure, you can go ahead and attempt it, but the sense of scale with it is always overlooked. Yes, you might be lucky and determine (a) what the key is (b) how long the key is (c) what algorithm is used (d) whether it is used once or twice on the data (probably once) (e) what the output data looks like.... but even if you determine all of those factors, and you write a program to do it, and let's assume it determines the key within the first 1/10 of projected execution time for the entire keyspace, then you're still talking at least thousands of years.

Software only brute-force decryption is nearly pointless, and will not yield results within our lifetimes, or the lifetimes of our children, or our children's children. It requires a major effort to remove the chips from the board, and probe them externally, requiring a lot of time and effort.

Personally, I think it would be easier to just buy older ipods instead of newer ones. It's cheaper to do, you're guaranteed it will work "out of the box", and you can start using it immediately.

Just because old hardware is old doesn't mean it stops being usable. That Pentium 90 plays those old games just as well now as it did back in 1997.

Finally, abuse towards other users or moderators on our forums is not tolerated at all, as you all know well. People like WnN have been around long enough to know that outbursts like this will get him banned, so no warning was given. Banned.

If you hate our project so much, feel free to not use it... no one is forcing you.

Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Location: New York, New York

hahahahahahahaha....

remember when he wanted to port the iPhone to the iPod. hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...